I do think that in general, longer scale guitars are better for someone with a lighter touch. Seems a lot of guys (people) playing the two-hand tapping and other modern fingerstyle techniques are playing on OM guitars with a longer scale. Maybe we can get one of them to comment.

But, as you point out, it’s not just the scale length. This is just one factor that, IMO makes for a better guitar specifically for blues fingerstyle, where you’re going for more dynamics and driving energy than some of the more ‘new-agey’ — for lack of a better term — styles, often modal and tuned open. But, for having sustain without being susceptible to being overdriven, I think the bracing and the hardness of the wood has a lot to do with it; maple and mahogany would be pretty similar in this case, as far as the issue of ‘overdriving’. As far as dreadnought guitars go, I tend to dismiss them as ‘folk-rock’ or ‘bluegrass’ guitars, but there’s no reason such well-made guitars couldn’t be made to do just about anything you desire (and more.) That Tony Rice sounds sick, long-scale or no, and the slope shoulder sitka (what model?) sounds like a dream. But I’m skeptical about being able to really ‘hear’ the difference between the red spruce and the sitka without being a trained luthier, as far as the hardness of the wood affecting how overdriven the sound gets. It’s more about ‘feel’. So, it may really come down to the shorter scale being the big difference between the ‘feel’ of these 2 guitars.

I do confess — and I’d love to hear some other opinions — that the shorter scale has a more ‘masculine’ feel and the shorter scale has a more ‘feminine’ flavor as far as the music they inspire.

You mention Ehlers — wow, that elicits images of really perfect (expensive,) guitars. I get a Pavlovian thing going here, where I start drooling at the mention of the name, no guitar in sight.

I’m actually surprised that the longer scale means more tension…I don’t get physics, but while higher tension would seems to mean more punch, it seems to work the opposite. Seems logical that the shorter string would be harder to bend, and the longer string would have more give. Maybe that’s not what I am experiencing when I play a longer scale guitar. In my unscientific, guitarist brain, it seems that the longer string has more length to vibrate on, and I actually ‘hear’ what I imagine is an extra wobble in the elliptical vibration of the string, esp on open strings, that generates an extra cascade of (unwanted) overtones, which I think of as the guitar being ‘overdriven.’ This could be completely subjective and possibly hilarious to a physicist or luthier. It wouldn’t be the first time a guitar tech was confused by my ‘artistic’ perceptions. But such is the nature of the artist, it doesn’t matter what ‘is’ — it matters what I am feeling.

Before I really was paying attention enough about different scale guitars (only been playing my whole life,) I purchased a new guitar because I wanted an acoustic-electric for use on stage. I fell in love with a pretty little Koa bodied number by a well respected guitar maker who shall remain nameless (starts with a ‘T’,) not realizing it was a longer scale (it’s not like the salesmen in the guitar store ask you what scale length you’re looking for). I couldn’t figure out why things weren’t working out until I realized I had played short scale guitars my whole life. So maybe this issue has to do more with my right hand technique than the objective characteristics of guitars.

I have a pretty strong right hand, so I can make any guitar buzz somewhere on the neck, driving guitar techs mad, but I find I can let loose and still have much more control of dynamics and how my open strings ring on a shorter scale guitar.

Mokai

Both guitars were Santa Cruz and both had D’addario lights. Trouble is their different in other ways than scale length:
- the short scale guitar is a slope shoulder D, with sitka spruce top and maple back and sides
- the normal scale guitar is a Tony Rice custom D with red spruce top Mahogany back and sides

In other words what is it about that short sale guitar I like so much? Is it from the scale length, the slope shoulder, the sitka, the maple???

And if I were asking someone to make me a guitar that had that great quality of not getting overdriven with light strings even when played with a flatpick, what should I aks for?

Rob Ehlers says it’s primarily about the bracing, not the scale length.

For fingerstyle I like guitars that are really “punchy” and responsive, and for this reason I like Mahogany, in addition I like the way the tones are usually clear and well balanced on a nice guitar.

But do you really think shorter scale makes the guitar stand up better to harder playing without getting overdriven? I’m wondering about this and was speaking with a great luthier for fingerstyle, Robert Ehlers, who confirmed to me that at a given diameter string, let’s say 12 mm on 1st string, the tension will be higher on a (normal) 25.4″ scale than on a (short) 24.9″ scale guitar.

To give an example from flatpicking, Django apparently preferred a guitar with a longer scale because it allowed him to use thinner strings while still having a high string tension. This was good for soloing in that style. What about folk blues fingerpicking?

Most players seem to use light gauge strings. If we took two guitars that were identical (lets say 000s with Mahogany back and sides) except for the scale length, and put the same strings on them (let’s say light gauge Daddario Phosphor Bronze), you are saying the short scale guitar would be more punchy and less likely to be overdriven. For me those statements suggest “higher string tension”. But we just saw that a normal scale length will have higher string tension. So what am I missing?
- Theo